by Inquizitr » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:05 am
by boethius » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 am
Inquizitr wrote:Well thanks, Boethius. I do have morals. They are not based on religion as I feel it has a bad track record of doing things I consider right.
When you find an institution run by fallible humans that does everything right, let me know. I'd love to join, if they'd have me.
There is right and wrong, and I think it is wrong for people in power to tell you one thing, that you are free, meanwhile they surreptitiously undermine the value of the currency and eat away at personal freedom. They inflate investment bubbles and burst them to drink the blood of those unfortunate enough to be caught in the lurch. To believe that was acceptable behavior, even in a social Darwinian fashion, are wrong, and have no understanding what it means to have a society that values honesty. Fraud is wrong, no matter what guise you wrap it in.
Well, I don't believe that's acceptable behavior, but I'm not a Social Darwinist. I believe that certain kindness and empathy for fellow man is required by my Creator, as well as, to be honest, culturally influenced on me as well as I wasn't raping and killing as an atheist either. However, atheism by itself, in a vacuum devoid of cultural influences against predation on your fellow man, neither prohibits nor commands such predation, but is, (no pun intended) agnostic on the issue.
by Inquizitr » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:44 pm
by boethius » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:54 pm
Inquizitr wrote:I really don't want this to turn into another "religious morality versus human morality" contest. I don't believe religion is inherently moral, and if I remeber right, you don't think people can be moral without religion as their purpose.
by Inquizitr » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:50 am
boethius wrote:Inquizitr wrote:I really don't want this to turn into another "religious morality versus human morality" contest. I don't believe religion is inherently moral, and if I remeber right, you don't think people can be moral without religion as their purpose.
You don't remember right.
There is nothing about the atheist philosophy that compels morality. An atheist could end up like you (accepting as true your self-described morality) or like Nietzsche and neither would be incompatible with atheism.