by The Road Rascal » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:41 am
by Canadian Viking » Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:35 pm
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by seroquel » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:27 pm
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by Kolokol888 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:53 am
Canadian Viking wrote:No effect - You can't kill an idea. Loss of the battle doesn't mean the end of Islam.
The Arabian pennisula and North Africa have always held different values than the other cultures they border and didn't adopt many of those ways lof life. Something in Islam spoke to the people of those regions.
The Road Rascal wrote:At the time, paganism and Zoroastrianism were the dominant religions of the Middle East, and in our timeline remained so until Islam's rapid expansion. The Byzantines had controled Turkey, the Levant, and Egypt for centuries; with Orthodox Christianity the state religion.
by samadams » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:27 pm
Indeed, as with any religion, the areas became religious more based upon the ruling class than upon the preference of the people. Individual evangelism also played its part but the governments made the ultimate choices in order to gain further control.Kolokol888 wrote:A couple of thing to note here. There was plenty of Judeism, Christianty and everything else you can think of in Arabia at this time. The Byzantines may have controlled that region for centuries, but they were locked in endless wars with the Sassanids of Persia which had weaked them both to the point of collapse + plague Both empires were ripe for overtaking as soon as someone, anyone could build up enough strength.
by Carlus Magnus » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:00 am
seroquel wrote:There would have been nothing to unite the people who would have otherwise overthrown Constantinople for starters... so perhaps the Eastern Roman Empire would have lasted all the way up to the Reformation.
Had Islam never gotten off the ground I'm sure the Middle East and North Africa would have converted to Christianity. Paganism has zero appeal and would have fared even worse in the face Christian evangelism than it did in the face of Islam.
Of course what the world would have looked like with no Caliphate is wonderful daydream. No crusades, and women in Jordan wouldn't be stoned to death for looking at a man the wrong way.
by BjornP » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:26 am
seroquel wrote:Had Islam never gotten off the ground I'm sure the Middle East and North Africa would have converted to Christianity. .
by Kolokol888 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:40 am
It's also very interesting what Persia/Iran would have developed into if Zoroastrianism had persisted. If it would be the subject of Crusades, instead. And if it, unlike the many Muslim sultanates, emirates and caliphates of our own timeline, could have even managed a defence.
by BjornP » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:33 am
Kolokol888 wrote:Very unlikely, Zoroastrians don't do missionary work or even accept converts for that matter. It's the oldest of all the religions but remains a tiny one because you literally has to be born into it. For Zoroastianism to become a major force this missionary aspect would have to change, which could have happened under certain circumstances but would it still be the same religion then?
Though it is kinda interesting to speculate about, Islam and Christianity is are quite aggressive religions valuing piety and strength. Zoroastrianism on the other hand emphasises education and professional accomplishment to the same extreme as the stereotypical jew. A Persian empire of doctors, lawyers and scientists... .
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